Sunday, 16 November 2008

Some points regarding the Akhand Kirtani Sect and Namdhari Sect


1. The Namdharis have a modification of the 5 K's, the Kirpan is reduced to a small symbolic Kirpan on the Kangha. In comparison the AKJ modify the Keski to a new K. However the Namdharis have a symbolic Kirpan, and lack a real Kirpan. While members of the AKJ have all 5 K's including Kesh, but believe the turban (Keski) to be a K, rather than Kesh.

2. The Namdharis accept the Adi Guru Granth Sahib as a legitimate Sikh scripture, but not as a Guru. The AKJ accept the Adi Guru Granth Sahib as Guru, but believe not all of the scripture is authentic (raga mala).

3. The Namdharis believe in the authenticity of the Ugradanti bani. So did the founding father of the AKJ, Bhai Sahib Sant Randhir Singh Ji. Incidently so do the Nihangs.

4. The Namdharis believe in Bibek (ritualistic spiritual hygiene) from non- Namdharis. This is also the case for the strictest in the AKJ sect, while most AKJ's will eat from most other Khalsa amritdhari Sikhs. Incidently some Nihangs also practice this. This involves not eating of the hands from a person who serves and eats meat and drinks alcohol. Or in circumstances that their food may not be in sucham as it will be prepared in the same place where meat and alcohol is being made or drunk. This also applies to eating from restraunts where meat is being made.

5. The Namdharis, like the Radha-Soami's believe that they have the Nam from the Guru. This is of course exclusive to their sect. This is the same for the AKJ.

6. The Namdharis, AKJ, are staunch vegetarians. Incidently Damdami Taksal, Nirmalla, Radha-Soami's, as well as most other Hindu sects, are strict vegetarians.
7. The AKJ may have copied the breath meditation technique from Namdharis who had been doing it for a hundred years previously. Namdharis were noted by the British observers as doing Naam Simran with a specific cyclical method of Naam Simran and breathing. The records state this involved emphasis on the latter half of Vah-i-guru causing the r sound to roll, and this created the well-known kuks which is why they were called Kukay. The AKJ are renowned for doing this.
8. Namdharis perform Kirtan with traditional instruments, and in Rag measures. The AKJ perform Kirtan in Punjabi folk geet style.

9 comments:

charanjeet singh said...

Anyone a part of the AKJ group are just another bunch of heretics, look to distort Maraj to fit in with there own ideals and get people to follow a christianised sikhi (eg liner thinking & too produce a bunch of sheep, British influence at hand here). I don’t why AKJ have been given such an influential position in the panth as they have no lineage to Maraj but if anything they should be throw out of the panth for there views.

Great work brother Kamalroop its about time someone start showing who theses people are and what they are doing to the Khalsa Panth. The true sikh the true khalsa will always win. Akal!

Charanjeet Singh

AtterKaur said...

I was recently given your email address by Bob who thought that your work and research would be a great help to me and my dissertation that i am currently writing...when i discovered this blog i was quite excited to read your views and writing on distorted sikh history etc....until i read this post...it is very arrogant and they extremely simplified points you make in order to try and compare AKJ with Namdhari's...these similarities that you attempt are very innaccurate and it seems you are just making them in order to piss off the many AKJ's that are proably reading this because you know they hate us Namdhari's!

anyway i hope your phd work isnt anything like this else it would be a shame to current academics trying to move away from such approaches

Atter Kaur

Kartar said...

"The Namdharis believe in Bibek (ritualistc spiritual hygiene)"
how is this ritualistic hygene
before making uneducated comments like that have u researched into what "sodh" is and have you even researched into what guru gobind singh jis maryada is about sarabloh and sucham. so i suppose you believe eating jooth is probabily some ritualistic or spiritual hygene. and what about when you see kyo di joth in gurudhwaras is that a ritualistic thing as well. i dont think you realy know what your on about. when you go to gurudhwaras they serve langar in steel dhali e.g bibek mmnnn "ritualisticc hygene"
would you question giving amrit in a sarabloh bata and sarabloh khanda and what about guru gobind singh ji saying sarabloh ki rakshya hamne.

khalsa ji you need to wake up

Kamalroop Singh said...

Atter Kaur, it seems your personal views are getting in your way. AKJ and Namdhari both are outside of the Sikh Rahit Maryada. Hence the points have been high lighted.

All the best,

Kamalroop Singh

This post is not offend any Namdhari or AKJ. These are academic points.

Kartar Singh, did I say it was out of Sikh practices? I am just highlighting some common points here.

Kamalroop Singh said...

In terms of Sucham, some Namdharis refuse to eat of other Sikhs, and so do bibeki AKJ, this is the point I am making, This is cultish.

All the best.

Kartar said...

"In terms of Sucham, some Namdharis refuse to eat of other Sikhs, and so do bibeki AKJ, this is the point I am making, This is cultish."

well that depends how strong your maryada is would you eat from a person who serves and eats meat and drinks alcohol? their food may not be in sucham as it will be prepared in the same place where meat and alcahol is being made or drunk. this applies to eating from restraunts where meat is being made. i dont think this is being cultish

Kamalroop Singh said...

Bhai Kartar Singh Ji, the post has been updated Ji.

Anonymous said...

KAMAL ROOP SINGH, is a FAKE SIKH, he is follower of NIDDAR NANG!

Kamalroop discourages non-sikhs from becoming Sikhs! He is a RSS agent!

Shamsher Singh said...

There can be no more dangerous , jealous, poisonous , divisive, false, and toxic a person in the guise of Sikhi than KAmalroop. He lies, distorts and corrupts. His uniform is just a way of seeking acceptance and legitimacy. He adopts whatever position is counter to the ideals of the Panth. If ever there was a case for excommunication then he is it.